But not my 5 mph ticket as it was only 100$ or 80$ idk but they took it off my record and points due to it being my first offense and completing a course. I was nervous about doing this because I'd rather be honest but he said he got a TS security clearance and it was no big deal and that there's no way they can find out. Will you shoot straight with me if I’m totally screwed? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. You did the right thing and many people who did get in, do lie at MEPS. Individual recruiters are not authorized or qualified to make medical or legal determinations. Now if you are going for a Top Secret, you have to go all the way back to your birth; your' parents and siblings backgrounds as well.. etc. I told MEPS and they noted it on my contract, I still got my Secret and then TS with no issues and held a clearance my entire career. These people would tell them that I was a huge pothead just to screw me over. stop worrying so much. I was nervous about doing this because I'd rather be honest but he said he got a TS security clearance and it was no big deal and that there's no way they can find out. Here’s why. Press J to jump to the feed. Going to Mexico is not a big deal at all. MEPS – Military Entrance Processing Station; The Delayed Entrance Program (DEP) ... honest people and will not tell you to lie about your background, but there are always stories of those that encourage recruits to leave out negative medical history or drug use. So is it better to just tell the folks at MEPs you have tried it? I'm heading back to meps to redo my physical and get the job i want, last time they did not have mine and I havent heard anything from them about … Dude doesn’t need to be anywhere near a clearance. If you can be mislead by a recruiter, how can you be trusted with secerts? And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. AsparagusBerry. Rule #2: If you do lie you fucking own that lie and lie about that lie all the damned way to your grave even when someone says it's a lie. Recruiter told me to lie . Doesnt really matter since its all based on Need to Know. I want to join the Marine Corps, and join embassy duty. It felt like a huge burden had been taken off my chest knowing I wasn't hiding anything. in reality, they don't dig THAT much into past relationships. You might make it through MEPS, but you probably won't make it through your clearance. Rule #3: Don't be in a position to use Rule #2. I had just gotten out of a highly toxic relationship with someone I had loved very much. After MEPS I told the recruiter about the situation stated above, and he said the paperwork concerning drug use could not be changed, and to not worry about it because I was never arrested, it wasn’t in the last 45 days and they only care about if … That guy below was downvoted so idl if what he said was true. I ended up telling the interviewer in the final interview about it (right before I finished a school) and she made me write a statement explaining why I lied. Now I'm freaking out. That said, I want nothing more than to serve my country and protect the liberties and freedom that are all too often taken for granted by us civilians. Now, Public Trust investigations too have the standard and priority options. A MEPS doctor will review your application and medical history and recommend you for entrance to the military, or disqualify you based on your medical history. Since yours is a secret clearance, I can't imagine too much will be made of this. Could you possibly shed some light? I don’t think that it’s hopeless though. Now that you have already lied. What now? I'm just thinking even if I'm denied for a TS would that be favorable over being kicked out for fraudulent enlistment due to lying at MEPS. Enlisted into the military at 18 years old. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. I ship in two days so hopefully I'm not screwed yet. You guys definitely calmed my nerves. Standard Tier 5 investigation used for Top Secret clearances = $5,188. In simpler times, only national security investigations had the option of two different price schedules, either standard or priority processing. Thank you, sorry if this is rambling I'm just really panicking. So I’m sure it’s on a medical record somewhere. Ok, so before I went to MEPS, my recruiter told me that they don't know what you don't tell them. Some people seem to think that if they pick a job that only requires a secret security clearance, no one will ever find out about their lie because the background check won’t be as thorough. You also committed enlist fraud. What if you lied at meps that you have never been diagnoised with depression made it through and became a marine..and what if later down the road you wanted a different mos that required a top secret security clearance could the us government check your medical records and disqualify you from that specific mos and kick you out of the military? I plan on disclosing this information, and then returning back to this blog to let everyone know the outcome. I went to "A" school right beside IT's they have gray Secret badges while CT's have blue Top Secret. im 17 and shipping out july 23 2012. when i was 16 i was caught with a hypodermic syringe i left in my gym bag in school which i used for steroids ( took them only for a couple weeks to try it, i was stupid ). The RCMP does not give lie-detector tests to employees undergoing top-level security screenings despite federal rules that require such examinations, The Canadian Press has learned. Like many other situations, it’s the cover up that will get you into trouble. If you are going for a TOP secret clearance a full background investigation will be done. i had to go to court and the judge dismissed the case. Or will they just worry about denying or approving my clearance and not worry about ruining my military career. The suicide attempt will probably pop up as a police report or during other records/interviews. Everyone I asked told me not to say anything about it so I didn't. Show that you are trustworthy. You might still have a problem but it’s no bigger than the problem you have now. i know alot of people lie at meps about past medical stuff and get away with it but my situation is different. You need to come clean as soon as the opportunity arises. I know plenty of people who lied about stuff for their investigations. So, if you lie, you won't get your clearance, and will get a DD. Now I'm freaking out. pilot). What will they ask? You are 100% eligible for a waiver. seriously. Every military MOS or rate, etc. . Tell the truth when they ask, I doubt they will care, you aren't still using are you? I have a top secret security clearance. If you lie about your previous drug use (even if there is no criminal record), and your military job/assignment (either now or a future assignment) requires a Top Secret clearance, the military CAN find out about it (see Security Clearance Secrets). If the recruiter tells you to lie; then don't join. But eventually, you should come clean. Honestly, every damn recruiter in the U.S. military has their recruits lie on their security clearance. the first is having scoliosis. He qualified for Navy Cryptographic Technician and was guaranteed his Apprenticeship school. Along with me admitted to the physc hospital I smoked weed and it affected me very poorly. Weed won't get your job taken away, but lying will. The issues you discussed are not unusual and would probably be cleared (mitigated ) as part of the normal process — except if you lie on the SCA and especially to the investigator. I am also afraid that it will prevent me from getting secret or top secret clearance, and if I lie they'll find out and discharge me. Everyone in the US Military, so everyone processing through a MEPs needs AT LEAST a secret clearance. Braces, hospital vists for the broken arm. A lot less than if you lied at MEPS, lied to OPM, and then get caught :) OK, seriously, I assume the question is about an SF-86 to get a security clearance. There is a point very early in basic training where the point of no return is passed. Expect your medical health conditions to be closely analyzed if you are in a position that requires a lot of trust or advanced physical fitness. and what If I cancel my medical insurance and say I dont have a current medical doctor could they still find out? I was just being a stupid teenager. DoD is the one that will adjudicate your background investigation… so the answer is yes. Pending I earn the title, I am going out for intelligence, however I am now questioning whether or not I will be able to get the clearance for the job. Ask the recruited about a charge I had for underage consumption. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Recruiters need to enlist people to keep their job and career. Priority Tier 5 investigation = $5,696 . Also, is it true you need to take a Poly as an IT? My recruiter told me to lie, say nothing is wrong at all, and that nothing has ever happened to me in the past medically speaking, however, when i went to meps in december 2007, i found that i didn't really have to lie about anything and i didn't. I'm really worried, I hate lying to begin with. It does not matter that the recruiter “told” you to lie. Going to Mexico is not a big deal at all. I DEP'd in back in October of last year, and am set to ship in August. When he told me not to tell MEPS, I told him I wasn't going to lie. And to top it off, the applicant has not indicated any desire to marry her, which would help her gain U.S. citizenship, which might have helped mitigate the issue. I havent shipped yet but I am just thinking the long run. On the flip side, fraudulent enlistment is not normally pressed if a recruit volunteers the information early. I was instructed by my recruiter to falsify and omit certain information namely: minor injuries broken arm (no surgery or pins), treatment for ADD when I was a child (it has since been four years or so since I was perscribed anything and six since I've taken anything. Hell, I did my original paperwork in MEPS when I first joined. With the debt levels thing, do they keep checking your credit report over and over until you receive your clearance or is it just the one time at MEPS? I was just wondering if you were to bend the truth at meps to keep something on your medical record concealed to prevent an automatic DQ. I want to join the Marine Corps, and join embassy duty. Top Secret Security Clearance? You need to come clean, explain that you were misled, act contrite and show that you are older and more mature so that it won’t happen again. I'm not sure what system, if any, they use to decide what locations and people they want to get more information about. ... you're allowed to keep your secret clearance, then you have a good chance of getting a top secret. Pretty sure you it will come up when you complete your SF86 either now or in the future. There needs to be far more discipline in that area but it will help to mitigate your issue. Don't take that risk. Top Secret Security Clearance? If you agree, then you are a piece of shit. Not only is lying on the SCA (SF86) a crime - you also have fraudulent enlistment issues going on here. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. I lied about the fact that I had ear infections (idk why I did this I just figured they wouldn't find out). but DO NOT LIE ON YOUR SF86!!!!! ... Then, never mind the secret clearance -- you're lucky if they don't give you a dishonorable discharge right after you get in --- IF you even get that far. They will go 2 steps removed for at least some people on the SF-86, basically to dig into information about drug use and undocumented foreign travel. It’s not a matter of “telling your branch”. He qualified for Navy Cryptographic Technician and was guaranteed his Apprenticeship school. Expect your medical health conditions to be closely analyzed if you are in a position that requires a lot of trust or advanced physical fitness. I told my recruiter that i had tried weed and i told him that i wanted to tell the truth but he insisted on me lying and I listened to him. They will overlook many things, but if they find out you lie to them, and they dig very deep for a TS, they will deny you very quickly. Oh and when you're at MEPS they're going to ask you about 10x or so if … That should not be your concern and the fact that you asked twice is really telling. I'm going into the Navy for IT hopefully or MA and havent been told that either of them need top secret clearance. 0 5. Rule #1: Don't lie. And really want my security job. I admit that I lied at MEPS, and want to know if 1)If going for a TS Clearance, they will check my medical records, and 2) If I talk to my recruiter and try and get a waiver for foot pain I had when I was 14 (I'm 17 now), can I get one? I'm heading back to meps to redo my physical and get the job i want, last time they did not have mine and I havent heard anything from them about … I lied at meps. Doesn't it depend on the initial enlistment contract? If they do find some random people to question (highly unlikely) then they will ask you about it, tell them those people don't like you and lie about you all the time. If anyone in your life knows about it, the investigator is likely to find out. Well, I wish he hadn't told me that. Months later, the recruit returned to MEPs to process for shipment to basic training. I know you have probably made up your mind, I am just sharing my experience just in case you decide to go a different route. IT, they're only gonna give you Secret clearance. I received the go ahead for IT but have been FREAKING out about it. A medical exam takes place at the Military Entrance Processing Station ... as some USAF jobs require top-secret security clearance or special qualification (i.e. 1 decade ago. Shut the fuck up! So even if I completely clean and do not lie on my sf86 and to the investigator. This may be a stupid question, but when would the SF86 happen? DO NOT LIE on your SF86!!!! Lied at meps now need TS clearance - SECURITY CLEARANCE Q&A - ClearanceJobs Blog. I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. They will check your finances, military and police records as well as past acquaintances that you may have forgotten about. I have a top secret security clearance. Come clean! Lv 4. The arrest itself wasn't over anything serious but it is the fact that I actually got fingerprinted and arrested that worries me. I'm going into the Navy for IT hopefully or MA and havent been told that either of them need top secret clearance. I’ve held a Secret security clearance now for 6 1/2 years… I can’t/don’t want to keep this in my upcoming investigation, and really want to continue serving. In the mMEPS they'll ask if you've had them...if they weren't a big deal I'd just be honest...for a top secret clearance they're gonna most likely find out anyways...my recruiter had me lie about a ticket I'd gotten right before going up, but I wasn't shooting for tsc 01-01-2013, 12:56 PM #45. zerab. That means the forms you fill out are just the beginning. A Top Secret Clearance with the ... be denied if you conceal information. (MOS rating) On the verge of getting top of the line training and a Top Secret SCI clearance position that would have set him up nicely upon getting out of the Navy Chief (E7) at Meps asks him if there is anything he wants to confess, a last chance to be honest in case he lied about anything during … I'm about to join the Army, i got a 92 on the ASVAB and have been looking at doing an intel job that requires a tss...I smoked weed twice four years ago but i told MEPS that i have never done drugs. I admit that I lied at MEPS, and want to know if 1)If going for a TS Clearance, they will check my medical records, and 2) If I talk to my recruiter and try and get a waiver for foot pain I had when I was 14 (I'm 17 now), can I get one? For a top secret clearance they could go and talk to his old friends, and they could give him a lie detector test. help!? The sooner you report the required information, the less likely you will be held accountable for fraudulent enlistment. Could you give us an update on what happened? Recruiter told me to lie . Okay, i lied at MEPS about my medical history, over 10 years ago I had A.D.D. I dont take any medications and havent since about a year ago. i went through meps last week and passed the physical but i lied about two things. My job, IT, requires a top secret security clearance. This is where you provide your personal medical history to MEPS, the Military Entrance Processing Station. Snowden really changed that process. I wouldn't worry about anything in your pre-screening though. Cookies help us deliver our Services. As a former military recruiter, I can tell you that your recruiter wants you to lie, because admitting to depression might disqualify you. The investigators and adjudicators know that many recruiters will tell kids to lie filling out their forms. When you get to basic, you will do a shitload of paperwork. They care more about debt levels than anything else. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. I … I havent been declared mentally incompetent but since the first intent on suicide was under 18 they forced me to go to a psychiatric hospital for 11 days. Please read this very closely, because it is the most important thing anyone has ever told you about this subject. It will still go to my service branch and will most likely get me a fraudulent enlistment due to lying at meps? When I went up to meps a few weeks ago I lied about my criminal history, saying I never got arrested. For anything Navy related, not limited to US Navy. I omitted information at MEPS. You have to get one! I have pre existing conditions that are PDQ but I want to join the Navy and get a top secret clearance I dont have a problem with these conditions anymore,so should I keep my mouth shut? This is why I love the reddit community. Your recruiter is dishonest and too lazy to complete the required waivers - you will need to tell someone else at MEPS.’. When you get to basic, you will do a shitload of paperwork. I … “My recruiter told me to lie, ... DD Form 2807-2, or the Medical Pre-Screen form. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. Saying anything now will definitely get you into shit, so your only hope now is that they don't find out during your investigation. You will be DQ at MEPS because they have to. No I haven't smoked for over a year. MEPS and Top Secret Security Clearance? For a top secret clearance they could go and talk to his old friends, and they could give him a lie detector test. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. So, my recruiter basically told me to lie at MEPS about ever smoking weed. Do not lie to MEPS. Once granted, your clearance could be revoked if the military later discovers you lied when filling out the forms. This was all before I was 18 years old. There was some big spy back in the day who gave away all the ciphers for the entire Navy for like a decade.... Come clean now, throw your recruiter under the bus. Honesty is the BEST policy. Hello Marines, I have a bit of a problem. I would just tell the people at MEPS. Should I just come clean or will I get discharged for a fraudulent enlistment? You shouldn't lie to MEPS about anything, trust me they will find out everything about you, it's like a federal background check. You might as well be honest if you're trying to get a top secret clearance since they will find out everything that happened in your past anyways and you could be charged for lying. I would just tell the people at MEPS. You'll be fine. It's not about whether it was criminal - it's not criminal to go bankrupt, for instance, but if you lied about never having gone bankrupt and they … Let’s say even if I come clean I am still in the military wont they report that to the marine Corps and kick me out? It happened 12 years ago. It’s better when you can explain it now, while you are young, and its a candor situation that you realize must be dealt with, then to lie about it, continue the situation, and it come out years later where you don’t have youth on your side and additional situations where you could have fessed up to it and it hurts you further. I went to MEPS and lied about the fact that I had seen a psychologist. Just make sure that your "failry" truthful in that and you should be fine. Unless you have a loudmouth friend, you'll probably be just fine like most people are. That's pretty dumb. So, my recruiter basically told me to lie at MEPS about ever smoking weed. So don't sweat the security clearance crap. Cannot stress enough. just chill. If I tell the truth on sf86 would they tell my service branch? I used the drug one time and that was it. I'm heading back to meps to redo my physical and get the job i want, last time they did not have mine and I havent heard anything from them about … Every one gets a clearance if they are accepted in the service. The branch also factors in the Speciality Code you are seeking, as some USAF jobs require top-secret security clearance or special qualification (i.e. The job I want requires a top secret clearance. It’s the DoD that holds your clearance, not your branch and it’s the DoD that will be adjudicating your new clearance. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. This will hold true with you your entire life. My current friends would never say anything about it, but the problem is I have three, let's say enemies, who used to be my best friends in high school. I had adhd as a kid but I stopped taking meds for it almost 5 years ago. The recruiter instructed the recruit to lie at MEPs, and the recruit was enlisted in the Delayed Enlistment Program. As a Navy IT it seems likely he'll end up at a NIOC and they DO polygraph religiously there. Okay, before I get started, I know that lying to MEPS is obviously the wrong and immoral thing to do. lied about medical at meps, navy jobs require top secret clearance. there done deal. Should I keep my mouth shut at MEPS? The job/clearance isn't worth all that. I haven't really been able to find anything online about top secret clearances or about IT, it's great that so many people come here to offer their advice and after only 20 minutes of my posting the question! They'll call up the references you listed, but not much more than that. What should I do tell the whole truth and not worry about them kicking me out or switch jobs now and not even try for a ts clearance. Took a couple months for them to sort stuff out but in the end I was fine. He was informed at that time that the FBI criminal background investigation discovered the juvenile felony conviction. You would be a PRIME candidate to blackmail for secrets, because you would have a LOT to lose if the Marines found out from an "anonymous source" that you lied to enlist. If you lie during a Federal investigation and get caught, Title 18 US Code Section 1001 provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which will result in fines or imprisonment. EDIT: Wow thank you for all the responses! requires a security clearance. When I was at MEPS I told the lady that was processing me that I had been to Belize for a couple days on a cruise, and she didn't care at all. So, I was stupid and lied at MEPS per my recruiter’s advice. If you come clean, you only risk losing your clearance. I have friends who are IT's that are going to have a TS clearance and ITS' requires a TS clearance. Please read this very closely, because it is the most important thing anyone has ever told you about this subject. Again, it's all about your dreams but fuck everyone else right? They interview family members, employers, school teachers, friends, and they DIG. Yep. However, with today's recruiting climate, waivers are not exactly being handed out the way they used to be. It is up to you to be truthful. Enlisted into the military at 18 years old. What happens when you get to RTC and you have a job that has a clearance? 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